中文@softmaxedx 我在$AMD的朋友被石头绊倒,在家躺了几个小时。
所以AMD整个GPU项目大概率要大幅延期了。
EN@softmaxedx My friend at $AMD tripped on a rock and had to spend a few hours at home.
So we’ll likely see a major delay at AMD’s entire GPU program.
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中文@Traderissimo 所以这是最终售价成本,而非物料清单成本。他们还用了13.4万美元的平均售价,而非量产后的低于2万美元成本。
正如$VPG所示,750美元/个的传感器在量产后降至150美元。
因此很多计算方式都变了,我觉得这里的成本结构参考价值不大。
EN@Traderissimo So this was cost of the final sale price, not BOM cost. They were also using $134K at ASP, not the volume ramped <$20k costs.
As seen with $VPG that $750/sensor goes down to $150 at mass production.
So lot of math changes, I didn’t find the cost structure particularly helpful here.
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中文最近流行一种新趋势:专门发帖唱空万亿美元级公司。
比如$NVDA或$TSM。
手法是:先找出孤立的技术细节,然后夸大其词,声称整个项目延期。
→ 公司若不回应,股价/市场情绪受损。
→ 公司若回应,因供应链涉密无法详述……但人们仍存疑。
→ 发帖者获得更多曝光,下次再如法炮制,流量更大。
这种模式不太健康,尤其当越来越多人效仿。特别是激励机制层面。
ENApparently there’s a new popular trend to bearpost trillion dollar companies.
Like $NVDA or $TSM.
By finding isolating technical details, then blowing it out of proportions by claiming their whole program is delayed.
-> if the company doesn’t respond, stock prices/sentiment are damaged.
-> if the company issues a response, they can’t go into detail since supply chains are confidential… but people still doubt them
-> Poster gain more impressions, then does it again with more views the next time.
Don’t quite think this is very healthy, with more folks copying that playbook. Especially around incentive structures.
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中文IBK研究上月发布了一份关于波士顿动力价值链的报告。摘要如下:
IBK将以下公司列为Atlas的供应商:
- Hwashin (010690) / 机身、手臂、腿部
- LG Energy (373220) / 电池
- 现代Autoever (307950) / 集成
- 现代Mobis (012330) / 执行器
关于人形机器人产量爬坡预测:
他们建模数据为:2028年11,290台,2029年20,000台,2030年30,000台……2031年40,000台,2032年50,000台。
不太理解IBK和其他机构为何偏好用线性模型模拟S曲线产量爬坡……
比如每年增加+10,000台,我认为实际产量爬坡不会这样发展……如果让我猜测,更可能的情况是:
- 2028年:15,000-20,000台
- 2029年:40,000-70,000台
- 2030年:90,000-140,000台
因为波士顿动力预计2028年产能达30,000台(我相信他们会在2029-2030年争取更多产能上线),而中国整体在2026年底已实现100,000台产能。
竞争格局方面,他们列出:
- $TSLA、Figure、Apptronik、$CCXI (Agility) 为美国玩家。波士顿动力(现由韩国母公司控股)
- 宇树科技、傅利叶、智元机器人、优必选、$XPEV 为中国领先企业
- Neura、Pal Robotics、Wandercraft、Oversonic 为欧盟领先企业
他们还围绕现代Mobis/现代Autoever/Glovis做了大量估值建模。
关于波士顿动力的经济所有权:现代汽车占27.9%,Mobis占11.3%,Glovis占11.3%。可见机构现在对旗下人形机器人业务板块的估值显著提升。
报告假设:
- 每台Atlas配备31个执行器
- 2028年每个执行器成本$1,000
- Atlas平均售价$134,000
这意味着执行器成本占最终售价的23%-28%。
更有趣的表述是:IBK指出执行器产能是产量爬坡的最大信号。例如,每31万套执行器产能可支撑10,000台机器人增量。
因此跟踪执行器产量、良率和平均售价,是解读2028-2030年产量爬坡的更清晰指标。
我个人没有太多见解,但希望其他人会觉得有趣,尤其是Hwashin作为核心供应商的角色,或执行器产能作为关键指标这一点。
ENSo there's a IBK Research report on Boston Dynamics value chains from last month.
Just a summary:
IBK maps these companies to Atlas as suppliers:
- Hwashin (010690) / body, arms, legs
- LG Energy (373220) / battery
- Hyundai Autoever (307950) / integration
- Hyundai Mobis (012330) / actuators
As for humanoid volume ramps:
They're modeling for, 11.29K in 2028, 20k 2029, 30k in 2030... 40k in 2031, and 50k in 2032.
Not quite sure why IBK and other institutions are a fan of linearly modeling S-curve volume ramps...
Like adding +10K per year, don't quite think it's volume ramp is going to work like that... if I had to guess it would look more like:
- 15-20k 2028
- 40k-70k 2029
- 90k-140k for 2030
Since Boston Dynamics is projecting 30k capacity by 2028 (I'm sure they'd aim to get more online by 2029-2030), as China collectively is already doing 100k EOY in 2026.
In terms of competitive landscape they name:
- $TSLA, Figure, Apptronik, $CCXI (Agility), as US players. Then Boston Dynamics (Korea parent owned now)
- Unitree, Fourier, AGibot, UBtech, $XPEV as the Chinese leaders.
- Neura, Pal Robotics, Wandercraft, Oversonic, as the EU leaders.
They also did quite a lot of valuation modelin
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中文@BtMIV6TSQ572728 这半是讽刺。Grok翻译时很难理解其中微妙之处。
EN@BtMIV6TSQ572728 This is half satire. It's hard to understand nuances when Grok is translating it.
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中文我接下来要学怎么交易现金结算的三文鱼期货,好写进我的简介里。https://t.co/oxJCHpb0Pd
EN@TheWaitingGameX I'm going to learn how to trade cash-settled Salmon futures next, so I can put it in my bio. https://t.co/oxJCHpb0Pd
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中文@ANMcapital APR可能已被定价。
但或许三文鱼DNA加工会成为新的瓶颈,因为女性用于面部乳液的需求量很大……
EN@ANMcapital APR might be priced in.
But maybe salmon DNA processing might be a new bottleneck from the amount women use for face lotion...
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中文看来韩国美妆才是真正的阿尔法所在。
APR (278470.KS) 过去两年暴涨529%,远超$NVDA和$INTC。
我认识的每个女性都在聊她们的"Medicube"美容仪,然后买产品...把整条三文鱼家族糊脸上来改善肤质。
全球女性人口带来的结构性需求,比超大规模数据中心对内存或激光的需求还大?早该想到的...
ENApparently, Korean Beauty was where all the alpha is.
APR (278470.KS) is up 529% over the past 2Y, wildly outperforming both $NVDA and $INTC.
Every female I know talks about their "Medicube" stick, then buying products... where you put a whole salmon's family tree on your face for better skin.
The world's female population creates a bigger structural demand than hyperscalers for memory or lasers? Should have known...
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中文@sama 哇,gpt-5.6 sol 写这些回怼的话越来越溜了
EN@sama Wow, gpt-5.6 sol is getting really good at writing these comebacks
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